Congress led Govt exporting electricity to Pakistan

I don't know how, but I guess I missed this news.

Source?

http://profit.ndtv.com/News/Article/pakistan-says-will-import-power-from-india-301940

It's just one of many other news reports. First it was unilateral withdrawl from Siachen which was thankfully shot down due to Army's objections. Failing that, this traitorous electricity export proposal

I guess this is an importatnt strategic step. 

• It is a way to maintain peace among the two countries. Mind you, Pakistan does not equal a land of terrorism or people who hate India. I've met/talked to people from that country, and they are exactly like what we are, want peace.
• I think this is a cover-up plan or something. India is in a shortage for petroleum, and so a line-> Iraq-Pakistan-India was proposed which India denied stating that Pakistan isn't a reliable partner. I think this is to cover that up. Like, if you do something to your gas line, we'll destroy your power lines. Something like that.

See, the thing is, A lot of strategists and planners have put up their mind in this. If they are doing such things, they must have thought something. Usually, in such matters, not all the facts are revealed to the general public.

Regarding your 1st point, my expereince with Pakis has taught me that the people who claim to want peace are a very small minority. If Pakis ever truly wanted peace and tolerance as we do, there'd not have been a Pakistan in first place. For one Nadeem Parcha, there are a hundred Hafiz Sayeeds, Kiyanihs, and even worse

Just a few months back owner of media house Jung Group, which is co-sponsoring "Aman Ki Asha"  along with Times Of India claimed that he wanted to be strapped on to a nuclear missile which should be hurled down on India. If you want, I'll post that news item too. This is the kind of duplicity and prefidy on part of Pakistan that we are upto. YOu have to be real cautious as Pakis have broken even signed agreements in 1946, 1948, 1971, 1984, 1999 leading to conflicts

About that pipeline, that's for natural gas and India wants it through sea rather than land. It's slightly expensive but almost immune to Paki intereference. Also, electricity supply certainly can't be any insurance against Pakis interupting the gas supply. Pakis have stopped NATO shipments to Afghanistan just like that even when it meant a loss worth hundreds of millions to them. Even Americans, one of their biggest allies has found it better to use the longer, expensive Central Asian route to transport supplies rather than trust pakistan. Even aas the talks were going on, Pakis killed one and injured another Indian soldier in two separate unprovoked firing incidents on border and tried to push in a large party of terrorists into J&K during the last week. They haven't given us a proper MFN stsus yet even years after we have done so

If you follow Pakistan related news closely, you'll know what I'm talking about. Maybe if you have time, you may want to browse through some of the links posted on this post on another site  

Maybe you're right, and I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right and you're wrong. But one thing I would admit, you surely have more experience and knowledge in this regard. But I guess as I said, all facts are not open to the general public in such areas.

World bank,  some Indian as well as foreign companies are fuding the project partially. So likelihood of any secrecy or secret agreement is nearly non-existent.

Even if it were true (which am sure it isn't) do you think we are in a position to export electricity when even Delhi NCR suffers half day long pwer cuts and smaller cities even longer ?

I agree with Ritwik that middle class educated Pakistanis are probably like us and do not harbor any hatred towards us. I even have friends in this class. But as in India, this is the class that matters the least in matters of national policy. And it is not in the interest of the people who matter to make peace with India. I have even written a post why peace with Pakistan is not logically possible. 

http://luciferhouseinc.blogspot.in/2010/01/aman-ki-asha-paradox.html

So I agree with Jaidev that India should refrain from these kind of useless and expensive good will gestures. But then that is assuming we have strong and sensible leadership genuinely concerned about the nation's interest.

Is "Independent Power Producers Association of India" part of the government or a private entity?? If its private, I don't see how it got anything to do with the government.

No private entity can export power out of India without government approval. The proposal was made during the high level govt to govt talks first.

Eve if for some reason you ignore  govt's involvement, how can you justify export of 500MW when we are facing critical shortages ourselves. Our credit rating has been downgraded recently and one of the main reasons was shortage of electricity 

I am not justifying it. Please don't misunderstand a question that I have put up pretty clearly :).It does need government approval, but at the end of the day its a private company thing. So government is getting something out of it inexchange for approval, especially since World Bank is giving a loan. Now I think whom the loan was given to needs a clarification- between Pakistan and India- India as in the government or as in private companies. It doesn't make sense to loaning to Indian government, but if its a private company thing than Pakistani government must have some understand between private companies.

Still, I don't really like the fact that we're exporting power to them of all people. They may have power scarcity issues and all that but some people and even govt. officials do tend to use their own country's resources to harm other people- in their own nation and others. I mean come on- the government doesn't have country of their own country properly- and their own officials. They're not ready for such goodwill gestures if you ask me.

Your 2nd para = That's what I'm saying.

The point about it being a govt or private venture is something else

They export terror and we give them electricity. This happens only in India. This is what happens to you if you vote for them. Perhaps you can vote to change next time. 

Perhaps

Any real opposition from BJP or are they making a show for the people? Opposition is not much of an opposition these days.

The so called 'peace initiatives' and 'confidence building measures' are just good timepass to confuse people. The very first time I thought the peace process thing as something right at the time of Lahore Bus and people were so optimistic that time. So many years gone, Indians are always optimistic forgetting the Pak Sponsered Terrorism and the Bomb Blasts which is just routine part of our lives. There is no democracy in Pakistan and it was never there, so the peace process thing becomes meaningless. But what about India? Do we have democracy? How can MMS - Sonia come again and again in power and lead this nation?The way main opposition is behaving, they can merge in Congress now.  

So, here it is. Severe Electricty shortfall for industries as well as homes  in India, while MMS, Sonia are busy exporting it to their dear Pakistan

UP government orders all malls, shops to shut at 7pm due to power shortfall 

In the meanwhile, Pakis are reciprocating with:

Pakistan violates ceasefire for the twelfth time this year

and

4th time during the last 7 days 

and refuses to talk or sort out the issue as they are trying to push in terrorists

Pak cancels flag meet without assigning reasons: Army 

^^ UP govt. tells all aunties to go home by 8, so that part of the country is going back to the dark ages thanks to the state government. Did you check from where the power is exported from? If its on the other side of the country, it doesn't make sense to build a grid towards Delhi as there will be a A/C power loss (and hence money loss) so exporting to the nearest country/state makes sense. Most likely government is being nothing more than an intermidiatary between the parties- after taking the usual "hafta". But I believe you need to look into things more- such as What is the state government doing? Which state does the source of electricity belong to??? Again- private entity.

Power being prooduced by any Pvt or Govt entity hardly makes any difference.I don't know why you keep bringing this point up . It's a govt to govt deal

 

Continuing its efforts to bridge trust deficit with neighbouring Pakistan, the government on Monday announced to supply 500 MWs of electricity to Pakistan as a major confidence building measure."Pakistan has asked us for power. We have decided to supply 500 megawatts to themimmediately. We have power and they are in need, (bloody liar. tell it to people in NCR, J&K, Punjab, Haryana, UP)

said Union power secretary Dhruv Vijay Singh during the 7th International Hydel Power Convention at SKICC auditorium in Srinagar."They (Pakistan) asked us politely, we said sure," said Vijay.The power ministry has decided to make transmission lines available for Pakistan and the neighbouring country will be asked to pay at the international rates."Transmission lines are being laid for this purpose," said Vijay without disclosing the name of the state where these transmission lines are being laid to supply power to Pakistan.

Even if it's exported from any border state (all of which are suffering from shortages themeselves , don't know about Gujarat), it'd be better utilised in India. Transmission lines are alrady there unlike Pakistan and distances are also less.