IndiRank Upgrade - suggestions please!
We're looking for suggestions/feedback/critique here - anything goes. A few questions to get the ball rolling:
- Should we make our algorithm public or would that promote gaming?
- Are there any other influential factors we can include, aside from PageRank, Alexa, Frequency, etc.?
- What information would you like to see as part of your IndiStats?
- Should we increase the frequency of updates, or would that diminish the value of IndiRank updates?
- The stats are available only to those who are logged in. Would you like an export option / widget so that you can share it with your readers?
Yes it would be a good idea if we could export our stats. Also, if we could get an idea how many pages are getting indexed IN Google, it would be a great help.
Backlinks is another bit of info which would be good. I think once a month is a good frequency, if we have it too often then the value of Indirank will get diluted.
Actually the reason people still look forward to the IndiRank is the mystery of it ... by letting the algorithm out there is a definite chance of gaming ..
However, IndiRank should also be also based on your networks on Indiblogger, if you have a network of high ranked individuals you gain some points for that as well .. ?? Just a suggestion.
No please do not increase freequency, just ensure thats its on time
I think it would be nice if we could export our stats but I don't think you guys should make the algorithm public, it would spoil all the fun!
1. Don't make the algorithm public. We have faith in Renie and team playing fair!! But you can always give hint on what are the factors being considered without explicitly stating the algorithm. 2. Activity of the blogger in Indiblogger domain can also be considered for those whose rank come above 75 or 80. Along with blog frequency I hope you are considering the length of each post too.3. The existing info on Indistats is enough. You can also consider adding some indivine statistics also,viz the number of indivine submissions and total number of votes gained, the total number of votes given4.One month frequency of update is OK5. Exporting stats by way of widgets will be a nice addition. Thanks Subu.ps
Indiranking is fine, have a suggestion about monthly presentation of the best blog articles, but not sure how feasible it would be,
Some of the blog article quality is really great, at times it gets lost (may be blogger is a new or not popular). If there a way to post the top blog articles by the bloggers on category basis, within indiblogger on a monthly basis?.
I am aware of indivine has the feature to promote a blog article by the readers, but this needs to be looked into as I have a feeling that some of the article are getting promoted even without the bloggers reading the article. This needs to be prevented.
A lot of updates have been suggested all over the forum for a really long time but we all are still awaiting some improvements. Here are my suggestions all over again.
> Please make it indiscore as it is not a rank. You guys just end up making a joke of yourselves by still calling it 'rank'
> My rank widget is flawed and the format always gets messed up, probably because of a long blog url.
> can daily viewer count similar to google analytics get incorporated in indirank? it would be very helpful as we dont have to use two different analytics for blog traffic calculation
Sorry for being overtly critical but its a long time since weve seen updates or improvements
Renie, there you should limit the number of bloggers that share same rank. Tens of people sharing same rank is not so much of a rank but a grade or Indiscore as Aditya suggests.
It is difficult to scroll blogs by rank. All the non-ranked blogs are on the top of the list of each category.
Digital Inspiration is sharing Rank 90 at the bottom of the Technology Blogs is almost shocking and one wonders what the ranking algorithm could be, but will let Amit worry about that for now!
Apart from frequency of blogging, could the overall popularity of the blog be taken into consideration. The overall trafiic that the blog is receiving and overall backlinks it is gaining. Sure, page rank is an important count too, but some blogs already have a PR before being submitted to Indiblogger.
A Short Question that often strikes my mind: Does the Indirank show the ranking since the blog entered indiblogger, or its overall performance(Not considering from when it was submitted to indiblogger)
@Subups: We cannot take length of the post into consideration. Not necessarily, long posts are of more effort and more sense!@Guharajan: Yea, thats understandable, but I don't think we can prevent people from promoting a post without reading it. Its true that some people just promote a post just because its their friend's or they just like the author in general but its also possible that they have read the post in the blog itself and when they found it submitted in IndiVine, they just promote it.@Aditya & @Lalit: I actually like it being called IndiRank. There are milion sites that share the same Google page rank! Suggestions:1) No please don't make the algorithm public.2) Is it too harsh to say "If you want to be a better blogger, then be a lil bit more technical?", cos I think we should add SEO as a factor for Ranking! I'm sure Google Page rank already takes that into consideration, but they dont update for at least 6 months in a row and Indiranking is much more frequent. Doesn't it make sense fo us to chk how SEO friendly a blog is as well, as part of the ranking?3) I think it would be great to know which of my posts are responsible for the rank I have currently. Is it possible to keep a track of that? Atleast the top 5 posts that are responsible.4) Current frequency is fine.5) An export option would be great.
I support Aditya. The first thing that should be done is to correct the name. The name should be IndiRating or IndiScore or anything else that indicates "the higher the better." IndiRank inherently implies "the lower the better." This has been discussed in the forums before and I hope something will be done this time.
Don't make the algo public.
@aditya and @ Raja Indrajit- I agree with you regarding proper name (Indirating)
@renie - Please Don't make the algorithm public. It is working fine.
Some blogs may not get justice, but that you have already explained limitations. Nothing is perfect and this needs to be accepted.
Monthly frequency is fine.
Suggestions - Consider the popularity of blog not just on Indiblogger, but the daily hits of blog's main url and sub-urls.
According to www.thenextweb.com, Google recently included sites which load faster. Do you think this point is worth consideration.
PLEASE NEVER reveal the algorithm. People will definitely game the system.
I don't think google analytics stats is public and so I am not sure how it is possible to implement a few people sugestions.
but what i guess is better is to make indivine more popular and get more people participating in it. I even own a domain called bestindianbloggers.com and i would be happy to integrate it with indiblogger. But it needs some more work on it to make it more hack proof.A voting platform like this will make people submit and vote the posts they like and the number of votes that a blog's posts get may be given a small weightage in the indiscore (I too like the term indiscore).But offcourse this will be possible if the platform the platform has moderators who monitor any attemts to game the system.
A few other suggestions:
1) There should be more frequent bloggers' meets (may be one every month in the metro cities). this will help bring the blogger community more close.May be every meet should have a discussion topic (it could be one more relevant to the blogger community or the indian society in general) and bloggers views or consensus can be publicized.
2) Blogging should be taken to schools and colleges in the form of regular competitions.When you can have quizzes, debates and essay writing competitions, why not blogging competitions? it will be more fun and more educative, if taken to schools and colleges.Infact I plan to get this started in atleast one school/college in my city and I will definitely be happy to join hands with indiblogger in implementing this. i even sent a mail to you folks on this but haven't got back any reply.
- Should we make our algorithm public or would that promote gaming?-> Nope. Too many cooks spoil the dish. The IB team is far too gooad at impementing sensible suggestions. its good that way.
- Are there any other influential factors we can include, aside from PageRank, Alexa, Frequency, etc.?-> The only other thing you can do is to tell the user "Renie likes this post too" ;) Jus kidding. Prolly, you cud do it if u're thinking of having a content management department in IB.
- What information would you like to see as part of your IndiStats?-> My guess, bloggers have all the private info they want abt their blogs. The public measure is given to a good extent by present Indi Stats. So, its sufficient.
- Should we increase the frequency of updates, or would that diminish the value of IndiRank updates?-> Once a month provides healthy competition.
- The stats are available only to those who are logged in. Would you like an export option / widget so that you can share it with your readers?-> I dunno abt this. No comment.
Yes! The name "IndiRank" is misleading. IndiScore is better and speaks more about the number which it represents.
Yeah a widget to show off our stats would be cool
Then how about changing the name from Indi-Rank to Indi-Stats because, when i got my 1st rank, i was of the view that a rank of 51 is better than a rank of 70, because Ranking means the lesser the number is, the better it is. So it might give a wrong impression to the ones seeing it from outside. So why don't we make it Indi-marks or something like that?
The frequency should not be changed, even though there is excitement because, then it would be like the present tragedy in cricket, when there is a world event every year or so and people lose the excitement of waiting for four years! :D So once a month is the best!
Oh, missed out another thing, may be add a point or two for the number of comments received by the user or blog!? Higher comments means, better blogs and better liked by the readers. So it directly shows the quality of content right?!
I am perhaps the only one who is going to vote in favour of making the algorithm public.
But then I have to admit that I have no interest in Indirank and so I'm not bothered if people game the system and get higher Indirank than me. I want it to be public to satisfy my curiousity.
I can put forward one point in favour of it being public. An algorithm that relies on its secrecy to be effective violates Shannon's maxim: The enemy knows the system.
A good algorithm should be able to survive all intellectual onslaught by those who want to game the system even if it is made public.
While you may not be interested in the rank, others certainly are. :)
I have worked hard to keep my blog high quality for the last 3-4 years, and I'd like it to reflect in my score/ Indirank. If some new upstart gets the algorithm, it makes all my hard work go to waste.
And while in an ideal world, a good algorithm may be able to survive all intellectual onslaught, remember that even Google Page Rank can be fooled to a certain extent until they catch you and ban you. :)
I just want to know if the number of followers you have should affect the rank. I think its more fair to base the rank on all the other stats we have but the follower count could be a little biased. By the follower count I mean the promote this blog vote....I for one read a lot of them but sometimes don't promote or am unable to!
I LOVE IndiRank!!!
And I don't think that you should change its name or make the algo public! and those who cry over IndiRank "not being fair" should just ignore it, use another criterion to see their progress (or the lack of it), stop criticizing it in the forum (I really hate them from the bottom of my heart for doing that ) and yes of course GET A LIFE!!!
And I think the number of hits on the blog can also be used as a parameter, and the number of beers the blogger have had that month, and the number of times he/she got so drunk, they blacked out is a point to be considered! Negative points for puking!
the number of "jokes" cracked in the forum on IndiRank......... I truly believe this should be the Top Priority!
BTW send me an Indiblogger tee!! Hows that for a suggestion Renie?
Hey there, have you just had some beer or something? ;)
(Just a joke, buddy, please don't take it seriously)
Hey I would like to share an idea or two too.
Firstly the algo,I Guess is better off being a secret just for the thrill of it, and secondly everyone has a fair idea about how the ranking is based(atleast a hint).
Secondly people have suggested that indirank should consider backlinks and traffic(popularity),well Page rank considers backlinks and the alexa rank covers the traffic details hence we do not need to consider them seperately.
Also there have been some suggestions of rank based on the activity we carry out at indiblogger; like people in the network,Indivine votes,post lengths etc.Well seriously I think this is not a good idea because there are certain people who are more active on the indiblogger then others so it would be unfair,and the rank must only be based on global constants like PR,alexa rank,etc.
Finally the frequency of once a month is apt,being more frequent i guess it will loose its importance.
Seriously I don't care whatever you call it,all the same for me.
I would like to echo the sentiments of addy,it is perfect as it is,I didnot suggest any improvements,I merely refuted some suggestions ;)
I agree with not factoring in activity on Indiblogger to contribute to the Indirank/Score. If you are giving marks to the blog for the quality of the blog, then the amount of time spent by the author for social networking on Indiblogger should not count towards the blog quality score.
Whats the point of ranks and grades, we are here to write and enjoy the world of blogging. Remember "We Blog, Therefore we are here". SO whats the point of ranks and grades (or it is our typical mentality to have to have ranks, grades to make ourself higher than other which give us some kind of eternal bliss).
People blog for their good, please don't make it competitive. There are various group of people who blog, some blog and browse other blog daily, but some do it on their availability. Do you think all these ranking criteria will do justice for them. So Please Please better off with the ranks and grades and let people enjoy writing and reading with no ranks and grades in their mind.
Hope you take my suggestion into consideration.