How does Indiblogger screen fake ids ?
In virtual world there are many jekl and hyde characters, which i have experienced. For example i can be goody goody in my geniune id and create a fake id preferably with a female name and start attacking senior and reputed blogger. It is very easy to pick link of Youtube, topical news and create a small post and pose as genuine id. I am wondering how can we identify such characters, one clue is through IP protocol, secondly the style of writing and usage of peculiar words or phrases, etc. I am only able to think of two ways of identifying fake ids, there may be many more guys come educate me. I hope indipolice is aware of such dangers
Umesh, IndiBlogger has a team of moderators who screens blogs personally.
Yes, using the IP we can track a user if he is logging in from the same computer through two different ids. But its also possible (rarely though) that user is accessing the site via a common cyber cafe or any public places.
HELLO HEMAL, This issue is serious operating through fake id is a big downer for sincere and reputed bloggers. I found out this through experience, and we tracked it another forum wherein a reputed blogger was goody goody using polite language, but he wanted to target and attack other popular bloggers in the forum, so he created a idea in female form and started logging alternatively from same PC. We complained when we found a pattern and the forum had to finally ban the fake id and warn the genuine id who was playing around. Now he is no more active in the forum. This is the sort of intelligence gathering which is required. This is more serious than spamming. I believe this is precise meaning of trolling as per my knowledge, correct me if i am wrong.
please check out the wiki meaning rolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group......
If you think any of the existing bloggers on IndiBlogger behaves this way, you can contact us (IndiPolice) or IndiTeam (Renie Ravin).
We will be able to do a trace and find out if anything of that sort happens or not. But just for your information, people can even fake the IP addresses by using a Proxy Server, so the only way to find out will be a through investigation on the way he posts his comments.
@ Hemal i cannot be tracking many a bloggers in the forum, but as soon as i get a clue i shall definitely keep the indipolice and promoters informed. I am keeping a tab on few whom i suspect. This is much more serious than Plagiarism according to me, because it will drive out genuine bloggers from the forum. Already one blogger has left in digust because of the treatment meted out. It is only question of time that unitedly we attack this problem.....some checks and balances have to be devised pl do think of it......maybe making cell number and verification compulsory etc......it will weed out to a large extent fake ids.
I was just thinking of this suggestion as I was reading your reply. I am sure we should second this.
then again @umesh we never know if the person has someone else on the call. Smarter people do exist. But having said that, i am not saying we should not do it. I think this should be done.
Hemal my post alerting about fake ids prevalent in Indiblogger was not seriously at all, now you all realise how trolling, flaming, defaming, stalking, insulting can be adopted by one fake member creating 10 odd identities. There are many more yet to be detected on the forum....pl start cleansing before it is too late.
@Umesh your post is taken seriously am sure. Coz I am doing it. @Animesh promtly said to me on the IndiChat that your fear has eventually come true. And I couldnt but agree coz we all saw this happen and bear the brunt.
Taking clue from yours and Mohd. Ibrahim's suggestions we came to knwo about the fake ids.
Mangal Pandey united ester India to fight the British Divide and Rule,
Saurav Ganguly mobilised a bunch of ordinary willow brand ishing players,
Into a team of World Cup Winning bunch of Indian team,
Now Saurav Pandey has united Indibloggers against Plagiarism like never before.
Into a team of world cup winning bunch of Indian team under Dhoni's leadership
But Umesh we cannot compare Mangal Pandey, Saurav Ganguly and Dhoni to Mr. SP. After all he is he; The Great "I" who loves himself:(
Of course we cannot compare SP with gr8 but one thing in common is that they united India....against British, Pakistan and Plagiarism, in scuttle way. It was just a parody in reply Hemal Shahs poetic musings
@Umesh I agree with you very much, this SP guy has certainly brought us back and united to stand against Plagirism.
100 times +2
When it comes to copy cats, they are looking for shortcut to success. But when they climb on others sweat and toil they need to be pulled down to earth and dumped. I am sure with regard to fake ids too campaign of this sort will be undertaken so that we don t get into accusations later. DONT TELL ME THAT I DID NOT WARN YOU......because Jekl and Hyde characters are back stabbers, maybe they might be representing rival platforms too.
Umesh, agree with you and the best way to track is from IP address. Though there are chances of mistakes in case someone accesses from office or cyber cafe etc. What I suggest is creating list of suspects first and then further enquiry. It will shorten the list and make investigation easier. Like IndiPolice (How much I want to chnage this name, alas), a new squad can be created members of which should never be disclosed (they should not even know each other). More than one members (at least three) should be asked for investigation and results. Based on their suggestion, necessary action can be taken. Of course these members should be given some guidelines as to how to track people (writing style, voting style, links in blogs, trend on Forum and IndiTalk etc.)
umesh ji, your concerns are well founded. lets hope a new better beginning
In this virtual world IP screening can't be considered as a foolproof solution . I have a VPN (Virtual Private Network) account and no one can identify me from where I am browsing. Here the trust factor comes, we must be self disciplined and vigilant enough to identify the wolfs in sheep skin.
@ Sujith i agree IP verification is not foolproof, but like duplicate submission verification on Indivine, some process can be developed to identify fake ids. I know how much harm it can bring to the forum, since i had experienced the same in some other forum, which has lost its sheen, otherwise its name was literally on everybodys mouth.
That's not a fool-proof idea. We had enough of trust factor here already. As far as vigilance is concerned, that is required but to conclude you will need investigation and enough proofs. IP address capture will shorten the list I believe
Hi Animesh, I totally agree with you in terms of the trust factor but I say we are fools (Yes, I myself call me as a fool) that we couldn't identify such simple plagiarism ? Means we are not vigilant enough that's all. Crying over the split milk is not a solution.. Yesterday I published a guest post of one of my indifriends in my blog, but after few hours my readers complained that the same was published somewhere else by the same author. Here the trust factor comes, I've full faith on him/her that he/she writes unique articles, but the things went wrong and which compelled me tor remove the post. I am not complaining, the article was superb and because of my blog's ranking which was coming on the top in Google search queries but unfortunately I was compelled to remove that article.
Yes Sujith. That's the point. Be it the real world or virtual world, trust factors does not always help much as people are always ready to betray you. You shared one such an example yourself; we had another recently. I also agree with the point of being vigilant. But what I ask is about the process or guidelines. Going through the story of recent plagiarism event, I came to know that he was reported earlier also but nothing happened. Why? Because there was too much of trust factor and there were no guidelines and set processes. Had they been in place, we may have avoided all this unrest. People are saying that everything is sorted out, but can't we feel the silnece (yes, its not peace) all over. Activities on Forum, IndiTalk and Indivine; all are on so slow pace that we can call it nothing happening at all. We all as a community have lost a lot due to whatever has happenned and its gonna take time to be back to normal. Remember, its always takes time to build something. Building from scracth is still easier, but connecting broken pieces has always been the most difficult task!
Hello dear Trust factor in a commercial world or Kalyug is limited to the extent of so far so good. Just this morning i received an alert that i have recharged 50 odd bucks currency, i was shocked, what i did was to check my balance, luckily the bank balance was same. I immediately sent an email to my principal, that a wrong balance is featuring in my message. So it is better to be vigilant as ever.......
Agree Umesh, being vigilant is right. But coming back to my old example, people were vigilant last year, too. Why did Shri Pandey jee was not nabbed then? Coz of excessive trust factor. I repeat if there are defined processes and people are verified irrespective of who they are, only then vigilance factor will work. Else we will keep on reporting people in blank.
Animesh you can do a wonderful CID work i suppose because you are on Inditalk, and plus you are active on the Forum. I am sure you will be able to spot fake ids, all the best. Well for me SP is a forgotton chapter, but his fake ids may crop up Lolz, that is where we have got to be vigilant. Lolz
Is it really a danger? More of a nuisance/annoying factor rather than danger.
People creating multiple proxy IDs itself is proof enough that they are simply lamers and just doing a lame thing to get attention. Just have a no tolerant policy: Create duplicate IDs or plagiarism: perma banned and perma DQ from Indivine section. No apologies. No clarifications. No epic bombardments by creating epic sized thread with poor paragraph formatting and sleazy one liners. That itself will decrease the number of such blokes automatically. We need to stop creating multiple threads about plagiarism and proxy IDs and start discussion about the actual content. Stopping plagiarism is as good as stopping piracy.
Good alarm call Umeshji! As someone has pointed above that the method of tracking the IP's is not an entirely foolproof idea coz sometimes there may be more than what is meeting the eye, hence we should try and avoid being judgemental. I think it needs to be coupled with the manual observations and alertness by the IndiBlogger Members to ensure that we are nailing just the fake ids and not hurting the genuine one's in the process!
When you don t interact or respond to fake ids you can see how desperate they become, that is when they realise they are not wanted. Recently if you have observed, how desperate a member is trying to seek attention of others, in collusion they tried to attack a senior member who is off the forum as of now. I hope indiblog management is aware of the dangers of fake ids taking over the forum, than genuine ids will vanish will become rarity.
Arti good observation, first thing is better don t respond to suspected fake ids, secondly give a long rope and thirdly keep tracking till you get an evidence, such fakes should be trapped. Obviously we would not like to target genuine ids in the process. thanks for your take
well whatever number Xeno is giving will not make any difference Lolz ? I was only pulling his leg.....did you check out mirchi