a small course abt blogging ethics & forum rules for every newbie who signs up

Thats also a good suggestion Pramod ji:)

that is a nice suggestion too pramod... However my worry is in one word you wrote... ''that way he may go for it''... May is something we dont want...

First I had written , he may fall for it, then thought , go more suitable.
Too many rules are deterrent, and quality blogger may just leave at that point. I remember an indian Nobel laureate residing in America, was approached by our p.m. Nehru Ji , to head Indian research program. He gave his consent.
It took 6 months for Indian ministry to send a questionnaire to be filled in by him.
He simply denied then.
Too many procedures, can kill the thing. I don't know why you all worry so much on spam. Just keep on deleting threads silently, without naming oneself. It has to be done.
I am sorry hemal but I cannot second your proposal without da gift thing.

Pramod, I am not talking of a full course which takes hours to complete! I can be a simple list of dos and donts and ask the user what he understood from it! It is just a check point to ensure the user is aware of certain things. These things can be like:

1. Where is IndiBlogger's FAQ located
2. Where can you promote your posts?
3. Do you understand posts or threads categorization on IndiBlogger

Some simple questions. The answers to these are from a 15 point quick book which mentions dos and donts. It is not to complicate things, just to ensure that users are aware that people here do take things seriously.

I agree to your point completely that too many rules are deterrent. Indiblogger is not a place where we stop everyone for fooling around. On the forum, unwanted discussions are still happening which again were not supposed to be conducted but we are turning a blind eye as everyone is enjoying. 

Only people who try to promote their blog on forum, spamming users with mails etc. can be avoided by a check placed initially.

To keep deleting things Pramod is not a good idea. If we get 100 such threads and everyday we keep deleting 50 threads does not make sense. We have to stem a change for the long run. Sorc has been deleting the Stock market share tips and stuff threads regularly.

Hemal, I see your concern, if it is that grave a situation, one can try out this concept. But this should be the last resort. One can easily strike a deal with the E book owner Darren rowse , on blogging tips , and give it as gift to incoming bloggers on filling the form. I think indie can get it free from them also, when he gets to know the followers base he will be gaining.
It's like touching the nose not straight but by by taking hand from the back and then touching the nose.
Some veteran bloggers come with the intention to spam like d nifty people. Strong action should be taken on such instances.

@Pramod we alreayd have rules listed here on what should be followed on the forum its only that people do not read. that is why this solution. but i agree with your point of view which seesm to be fair and rationale

There are hundreds of such e books available on the net and none of them have practical solutions... I wonder if it would really help. 

100 spam threads a day! Is that information correct?

Its not that grave yet @ranjith but those stock market guys, they can create a menance. If they start giving min by min updates on forum or inditalk, it will be bloodbath, no?

yeah thats one more good suggestion @ arti

Well said Arti Ji

Thats very good suggestion. I second that.

Thunbs Up, Arti!

As I said earlier at Arti's Sorcrer's thread, Team BHP can have those stringent conditions and we are happy without. IF you see people gelling with each other so well, flying promises of friendship to life and so much emotional attachment to this forum, Umesh its all coz we are very less stringent. As Pramod said above, too many rules are detterent. Team BHP's most of the members are there only to know what new is coming in. The discussions revolve around cars and bikes and everything in between.

IndiBlogger is much versatile a platform and hence, there is a huge difference in the audience that we get here compared to Team BHP.

Umesh Ji , the whole world is eyeing on indi now. Largest blogging community. It's not a joke. One wrong step and there you go.
My opinion is relaxed on this point.
Spammers can be dealt. First warning , with that one can give the questionnaire to be filled up.
Still if he persists just ban. Simple.

A very good thought Leo, but when a group of idiots decide to spam together, indiPolice will have problems handling. try to educate and eradicate as much as possible, and then irrants can be caught still by IndiPolice

If we do that, Indipolice need to make a habit of putting up a note on the first post and mention their profile nick, this way other Indipolice knows who has handled the thread.

Hemal, group of clever people,

this can become an issue incase a member misses doing that.

haha @pramod cleaver, yesh people who dont wanna read but strat bang bang without knowing what

I like the idea given by leo, may be we could also have some active people from the forum help the IndiPolice out in these matters..

For IndiPolice? we already have one...

Please upload the batch Hemal if you have access to the same 

As long as it is not complicated and doesnt give a wrong impression of indi as a 'community with too many rules', I'm all for it. Cheers!

Agree. For a few offenders, we cant trouble the innocent people and afford to lose them. We should try to keep it concise and informative at the same time..

Well said abhi.

I am thinking on those lines only and really not to tighten the rules. A friendly (or funny) with a fictious award questionaire but achieving the point of awareness as simply as possible.

Yes, that will be good enough Hemal.

Sounds like a good idea, Hemal.

i think it should work, will discuss this with Renie.. 

where did you get this idea from hemal? :)

I am really sorry Umeshji and all the friends, for all that things! Though later I didn't keep myself away from Indi intentionally, but you can see was engaged in other things. I don't know you guys noticed or not, but I was working with formar diplomat Shantanu Bhagwat Sir and my work is still pending. It was a tough task of my life to translate some part of UN Resolution on Kashmir in Hindi. Done it successfully. :)

Definelty Umesh we dont want that to happen again... @mohinee aap toh bohot bada kaam kar rahe ho! Salute... Good luck with ur work

@Umeshji Yes, we all should strive to take steps in the right directions and see to it that a healthy environment develops for one and all here..

@Mohinee You are exemplary in whatever you do! Wish you all the success always :)

It may not solve the purpose DS, that is my gut feeling. Infact that may even backfire ifmi think a bit conservatively. It has happened in the past.

Off course, it has to be used with common sense too... I mean we know who has innocently spammed and who is a genuine spammer... I think this should work, BAN is a word, everyone is afraid of.

Thats a twist! Hired for salary types @mohinee?

Hemal is happy :P

well said tys,

Tys, its a phase that is past trust me. The activity on the forum reduced bcoz of self promotion activites. If u come today to the forum n find something to read ansd share and discuss its coz its clean. If we let this happen soon the only thing that u wud se here will be all promotion links..

Hemal, efforts of team running behind the curtains is really more than laudable.

Plus 1 Pramod.

@tys mate, it all does die its natural death. and i completely understand that we can ignore it all. also agree that if someone thinks of doing it still, it will happen. and also agree that forum members shoot down that promotion attitude. It all works my friend, but it also brimms frustraion into the existing forum members. We can see it now in two recent threads, if you may have missed. Also, some of them have replied back in a flaming manner, have abused forum members. I really wanna only drive this on the assumption that this may help. I am not sure, and here is why I am asking everyone's views.

A way to avoid this situation as much as possible. I have suggestions from our fellow bloggers coming in this thread as well. I apologize if I sounded too harsh or in debate mode. I want to be open to ideas. 

What the intention is to convey this simple message in a fun filled manner which is not taxing either.

Hehe @tys u r just right.. U are onto something really... Lets see how others are reacting to this mode, ammsure we can have that team put up tooo

I second tys, well said.

Each and every word you said is right, absolutely right. But there is only one problem. These people can seriously harm you on personal note and Hemal would second me as he is a big big victim of one of such things.

@Animesh I do and with a pathetic experience on that, second you on that view point.

we can still give it a shot. I am considering both suggestions (about a small test & spam-crack team) so lets see how others are thinking on this.

Well i agree no one has the patience to do an hour long e-learning and all, but wud u say so still if we can have a quick five minute walk over and 3 or 4 funny questions asked with a fictious award?

Well, I think a newbie coming to register at indiblogger is likely to drop the idea of registering the minute e-learning comes up without entering to see how long it takes. Generally if someone sends me a link and it is a video, I just ignore it. I don't have patience even to wait for a video to load. I beleive in general other surfers also have the same low attention span.

I agree @The fool

Well, it is not before registering, its before the newbie enters the forum. and I do agree about the view point you have provided here, that sometimes even I do it.

I agree with every word you said but then I see some problems which is derived from my past experience on this forum.

If you ignore flamers and abusers, they do not stop. Till date every abuser of the forum has arrived in a group and all of them kept abusing and flaming continuously for many days till the time they were not replied to. And replying to them lead to even worse situation. You can serach the forum and community blogs for various such examples. 

On the other hand, I'm not in the favor of any test as it may not be liked by many nor would it serve any purpose as I already said earlier its about attitude, not about knowing. There already is enough material for those who want to learn.

Ignoring flamers and abusers will not make them stop what they do at best, same goes for confrontation. If each comment had a report button then people can report such comments and mods will take care of it provided it needs to be taken care of.

Thank you @Subhorup for your comments and I am sure, no one would ignore yours. See, you already got two responces and that speaks about the community for you.

You brining in a very valid point when you said, if at all anything can threaten the community it speaks for the weakness of the community and not the strength of the abuser. I agree to that view point.

This reaction comes to us, as Animesh said (the story teller guy), is based on our previous experience. IF just one of the aspect of a flaming post/reply may hurt one among hundreds in the forum and if one person finds it abusive enough not to resist an urge to respond, it defeats the decorum.

I am aligned to the view that we can positively inspire and educate new members on quality of participation and, of course, blogging.

Sorc! completely agree with you. Mods, responsible mods need to be given the authority to handle those kind of responces and should enable flagging on each and every thread.

I can see that you have had experiences that have made you feel this way, which I was not aware of. Empowered and proactive moderators should help. I also agree that even if a hundred people were to ignore but one person were to be hurt, it is necessary to prevent it from happening. As for the "reply to be ignored" bit, I was just being nasty. Apologies.

@tys as we said above, our experience says not... If one starts others follow suit and then it is a mess... To ignore may lead to many threads created for self promotion and after reaching the patience limit, if one of them is asked to behave, all others come together and start protesting. This has happened in the past and it was too much to handle. If even one person responds, he/she is attacked back and we cannot control everyone from responding. Its like a chain fire, fission reaction...

We can think of that too, but I am not really sure how that helps.