What is this about Hindu fundamentalist camps for girls? I came across this post by chance & i don't know what to believe.Do read this link & let us all find out whether to believe it or not.Anybody from Aurangabad on IB forum ?
I mean, if you want to preach Hinduism, it's fine, but do it the right way. Hinduism, doesn't say to use rifles and knives, and see the people of other religion as your enimies. They don't say to marry early, and that there is no need for higher education. It's always preaches love, peace and harmony. And if you want to follow something, do it, but you have no rights to force others to do the same, or consider them has "dirty" if they don't agree with your views. This is simply against the fundamental rights.
I think such "institutions" should be banned. They are responsible for creating hatred for other religions in the young minds of children who have no idea what they are going through. This is actually brain-washing.
I'm sure if this is not stopped, it's going to grow up like the Al-Qaeda and the Naxals. They too had a similar start, and gradually grew.
It's very sad such people portray religion in the wrong sense. I simply believe they don't derserve a place in this country, and should be treated as criminals. But surely, none in the politics has the guts to do so, and so these flourish.
Ritvik you are right on line...you have said just what many of us feel...but i am surprised that such a camp does exist--does it ? i wonder!
I think they do exist. Particularly in the areas where people are not open to the world.
I wonder why is it that our country has maximum collection of morons who use religion as their mascot- irrespective of the religion? Its as if people around the world in the past sent their idiots to this country and their future generations is the end result of such....moroness.
Sorcerer you are too hard on our country---the majority is not like that -no?
Please do let me know where I used the word majority. I said maximum number of morons...as in a lot of morons.
When you have the second highest population, obviously you'll have maximum number of people of all categories..
Look again- I didn't use the words "highest population" or highest...or population.
I am not talking in terms of population. I understood your point.
What I wanted to say, when we have more number of people here, surely there will also be more "types" of people here too.
Speaking mathematically, If 1 in every 10 person is of a certain type, say "x". Then with a country with a population of 100 people will have 10 people of the type "x", while a country with 1000 people will have 100 people of type "x". The more the population, the more number of people with a certain type.
Its not just mascot guys who use religion. We have policemen, traffic policemen, lawyers, judges, politicians, neighbours, teachers, principals, parents, friends, "friends", friendly neighbourhood spiderman, waiters, managers, CEOS, "CEO"s, executives, MBA grads, B Tech grads, IIT grads, people from Delhi, Bangalore, Mumbai, Chennai and other cities........ list goes on and on!!!! Even bankers.
BS I say! These camps simply bring shame to the country and the religion... they should be banned and punished.!
Living in a country where the two major political parties strategize based on religion and class, where people are divided on the basis of the kind of meat they eat, and matrimonials are categorized by gothra, it is a waste of time to debate the idea of militant fundamentalism. This has been a part of our national fabric from way before Independence. All one has to do is deconstruct the idea of militancy down to its root elements, and we will find that these camps are in our homes, in our communities, in our schools, and in our hearts. What is needed is a deep cleansing of our communal ethics. Of course, this is a generalization, and it is a fact that a very large section of the population thinks otherwise. Much of the blogging community is actively involved in countering such thinking. But there is little use in taking punitive action against those who have come to believe in militancy, it only hardens them and strengthens their feeling of victimization. What we need to do is replace hatred with compassion, suspicion with understanding, and revulsion with acceptance. If each one of us can create that island of tolerance within himself or herself, we can change the destiny of our nation. Let the camps flourish, I say, but let us turn them into camps for spreading love and tolerance.
Can anyone vouch for the existence or otherwise of such camps?How do we know that all this is not stage-managed for the sake of sensationalism?I am not saying that it IS,but such things do happen.
I remember long back ,there was a B.B.C.correspondent stationed in Delhi.Whenever there was a controversy he would go into a gathering & incite people to raise slogans,& make gestures of violent protests-the people would oblige-anything for a' Gora'.
A 13 year old girl speaking... Please flag this video on youtube.
Here's the thing and its funny.
No religion is against other religion if you see the holy books. Atleast it doesn't say kill the infidels or aethists. Some don't even mention other religion so basically that means "whatever man! you do your thing!!!" in some sense. They have stories and all, but that's about it. There are even traces in some form or the other where it will preach "You follow your religion- I follow mine." and also at the same time "protect any places of worship because that's where God resides!" in some fashion. Basically if its done right it teaches you to follow your religion and butt out of other people's business. Others can correct me if I am wrong. If what I am saying is right: lot of these haters, using religion as primary weapon to influence people, earning money and even raising an army- they go against their own religion- and/or haven't understood anything at all. At the end of the day, we are respecting and praying and wishing things we want from the divine entity that is beyond our level of understand which created practically everything. Then again, the divine entity created good and bad- therefore the entity is beyond good and bad- or else its not the creator of all things. Religion is nothing more than to maintain the relationship between God and an individual because back in the dark ages we were pretty much screwed up shameless people worshipping trees, stones, setting other village on fire and God knows what! It gives us a limitation and fear- and within that boundries we grow. There maybe a time humanity may not need religion to understand more about the great beyond- but thats going to take a lot more than centuries if we keep on doing crap like this. Basically, ignore the idiots. Eventually they'll get the idea.
I completely agree... Religion is just a way to connect to the divine power, and everyone has different ways. If you follow one, doesn't mean the others are wrong.
The checks and balance comes into play when determining how the female segment of the society has to be treated or potrayed. Religious or rather traditional concerns to retain womenfolk in their respective communities drive hostility towards other religion. The classic case of honour killing is only manifestation of this urge. A middle path is advisable. Many a communities are finding difficult to find a bride, because the girls themselves want to move out of the community. This trend cannot be reversed but an attempt is made by so called elders.
today , a news I just read. a d.i.g. of saharanpur range said on a query of a lad. " if my sister would run away, I would kill her with my revolver. He affirmed honor killing as right.
Now, the point is, leaders will continue to mislead and make groups of illiterates as well as literates, convincing the old texts and pretexts. people will continue to die in the name of saving a goddamn god or a culture,
I strongly advocate need of actions against leaders of provocative channelisers and they ought to be booked under law. otherwise god knows where we are heading.
We cannot justify honour killing in a democractic set up. But the fear of conversion is probably leading to fundamentalism. It happens across the world right from the time of crusade. I am sure sanity will prevail and people will compromise.
People in our country know how to capitalize well in the name of religion. Take for example Shiv Sena. They wreck the offices and stores that sell Valentine Cards and promote love saying its against our culture. So smashing stores and stoning people and breaking windows is part of our culture? Since when? I hate it when certain sects of the society use these senseless excuses to justify their actions. The institution that's talked about in the article you have shown us is horrendous. Wed early? No higher education? They are setting up these girls for failure. Its almost as if its being hammered into their head to be subservient. And yet at some point or the other, these guys do rule or stay in power because they get voted :( Which is the sad reality. Our generation has a lot of intelligent souls. We need to start taking the right step towards anti-discrimination on the basis of caste, religion, area of birth etc. Change will happen but we need to play our part in not promoting such instituions.
@ Ritvik thanks for that link,my doubts are removed,it was quite a revelation.
As anyone can see,we are all; right-thinking people over here;it is a shame that the other kind also live in our country.
I flagged that video to YouTube on the basis of "promotes hatred and violence".. But they replied they can't do anything...
BTW, don't forget to read the comments of the video. You'll know how many of them support her... It's sad actually...