indipolice failure raising concerns

I am sorry Hemal, my point is that if any mistake has been done, one should learn lessons and march ahead. and try to find better answers to stop such things in future. mudslinging if seniors opt. it degrades the whole community altogether.

when anamolie was seen, the concerned blogger could have been mailed and asked to show reason or blocked and debarred.

I wish to see it a healthy place, one communion, though we may have differances and stick to them as one likes, but one should avoid pelting  stones and take to it as a last resort after all resources fail. 

Pramod,

the Team had spoken to this guy and warned him to come up with an Apology. For IndiBlogger, to take this step is too big a thing. Its affecting their reputiation as well. They only took this step after they didnt get a favorable response.

I am sure Renie will have answers to these questions. And I agree with you Pramod, even we wish to see this as a healthy space for communication.

Vineet, Gouri is of the view that this issue has come out because money is involved.

Request to give you an answer to him coz that it helps him understand. He too was a target for plagiarism.. on this thread he explained his situation.. this thread on plagiarism

the correct link.

http://www.indiblogger.in/forum/topic.php?id=8398

Hemal, I believe I am keeping myself simple enough for a person of normal intellect to understand. Now where did you find me expressing that view? can you quote?

@Gouri this is what you said n this very post.

Do you mean to say that action is called for now because money is involved? That sounds more like a miser bania rather than a blogger!!!

Hemal, from which angle does it give you the meaning that I feel "this issue has come out because money is involved". Don't you see the question mark there? Let me put it in a more simpler language especially for you:

Here is what I meant:

You mean to suggest that this action was taken because you missed the opportunity of winning those 50,000 because somebody else duped Indiblogger of it. If you mean that then, you are thinking from the perspective of a miser bania (portrayed in Hindi movies), whereas you should have been thinking like a blogger.

(I visualized myself as a primary school teacher while doing this rewriting for you. But I know I am not very good at that. So, my sincere suggestion to you: if you are not able to comprehend anything properly, don't shy away from taking help from anybody around)

@tys its all revealed in the offical blog.

http://blog.indiblogger.in/2011/05/04/plagiarism-the-scourge-of-bloggers-everywhere/

there is enough evidence for proving guilty . you can check the link given by hemal .

If it was about plagiarism and trust in the community then why werent such stern reactions being raised when the indimoderator himself was prooved guilty of plagiarism?

Also now I think IndiMod deserve more guilty than that guy because they declared winner with blind eyes.

@Suraj Mohan is not a moderator. He is a IndiPolice, a member of the forum just like everyone else bt with responsibility.

And He came up with an apology and also ensured that he didnt do it intentionally.

Read Saurav's reply on the IndiBlogger offical blog and this is the same reply he has given to the IndiBlogger team when they personally called up to come clean.

http://blog.indiblogger.in/2011/05/04/plagiarism-the-scourge-of-bloggers-everywhere/

@hemal I am not advocating Saurav or anyone, I got clear idea now that indiblogger is not working properally it became like indian government, partiality, fame and many other things.

I hardly remember any good  discussion about blogging on this site. At last nothing worth to learn about blogging here.

@Suraj78

Its a view we would love to change. I am not talking on behalf of the IndiBlogger team, I am talking myslef. Thsi platform has given me so much more that I cant but just be thankful. And I support the IndiTeam of what they have done.

Some of you said that Gouri's issue (i will be specific) was not taken up in a big way coz first, Mohan didnt had won a contest and most importantly, he came up with a personal apology.

He did share this side of the story, but to the end, he removed his second blog altogether. The Second blog http://www.techiez.net/ now does not exist. He communitated well, was apologitic about it as well. He cleared that he personally wont have done that, but it was a group blogging site that he created.

Well I am not sure about that last comment though. I have learnt a lot from here personally and am here to know more. Some of your topics have helped me, some of Rohans too have gave me some knowledge. That doesnt mean this place stale. Any good discussion has to come from the bloggers itself, and IndiBlogger team cannot be running the show alone. Its a team effort of IndiBlogger and its Members, US...

@Suraj IndiTeam has done its job well! Late yes maybe, but they did uncover the truth, the orginal author Eon Heath agrees (comment on indiblogger blog post).

Plus 1 @ Hemal and Addy, learnt so much here and made so many good friends here too... Love Indiblogger:)

@Addy orginal author Eon Heath? Yet another case of plagiarism or Am I missing something? :)

@Gouri Addy missed an "and"

Hemal, I have seen you providing irrelevant/incorrect/misleading information on the forum (this thread for example). But never thought you'd go this extent.

If I didn't know Addy well, then may be I would have bought your erroneous theory. But since I know him well and am one the fans of his writing style (2 of his pieces I still remember are his blogpost on men's fairness cream and the review of Mohan's blog in one of the threads on the forum), your reply comes as an insult on his English writing skills. Here is why:

This is the exact part of the sentence:

"...the orginal author Eon Heath agrees (comment on indiblogger blog post)"

Now put your 'and' at the place where you meant to put it and the sentence becomes gramatically incorrect. Don't you see 'agrees' at the end? It clearly shows that he meant to refer to one person only.

If you don't get the above point, don't try to break your head over it. Just think of it logically. Tell me which original author had commented on the post at that time.

While my comment was a friendly poke at Addy to which I expected a witty reply in his own unique style, you spoilt the whole fun.

Thanks Renie, I know it's an arduous task and all bloggers here think highly of indie team and likewise their expectations are high. I do not advocate plagiarism, but The manner in which it was highlighted looked wicked in all aspects. A person tarnishing image of someone gains nothing by it but dooms the person thus inflicted.

@Pramod its not to tarnish an image, its to change the perciption of others who are being served copied content without any credit to its original author. to top it all, he claimed innocent. He has won more than 1.5 lacs in prize money from IndiBlogger alone. People trusted his work and some one else's work gained him the popularity.

I don't understand why anybody would see this as a personal attack on the copycat!

Indiblogger has made no allegations. Indiblogger has made no attacks. Indiblogger did the legwork, put together the information and exposed the crime.

Pl note Renie merely asked for restitution. Renie did not even say "you are not banned" or anything like that. Renie left space for the accused to provide explanation and apologies and make amends. What more or less do you guys want Renie to do?

If I were one of the authors who got copied, I'd be boiling mad and I'd want nothing less than a public shaming AT THE VERY LEAST. If there was money involved, I may even take the matter further.

I make no comment on specificities of THIS case since I only joined 2-3 weeks ago and was not here for the contests, voting, threads and "trust factor" phase. But as you all may have realized from my previous comments on previous copycat threads and the fact that i was the first person to comment on the blog and i immediately posted a message here on Sourav Pandey's Alexa review thread, I take this matter very very seriously. I advocate very harsh steps. But the point of view of the wronged authors is always different to each person. Ultimately, re: Indiblogger, it is all in Renie's hands. And he is doing a fantastic job, given his workload.

Pundit Commentator, please read the top concern that was raised, with a cool mind then try and throw in your precious findings.

you are jumping to conclusions without full reading of the matter.

I would personally  highly appreciate that. 

@PL: I know you can't hear me or recognize tone over internet, especially since you don't know me at all and you are not a regular reader of my writing. So, first, I have remind you none of this particular case concerns me at all in any way so naturally, I haven't lost my cool!

Again, I repeat that I take the crime of plaigirizing very seriously - anybody who has observed my activity on the forum past few weeks would know I comment on every single such thread asking what did you do, what steps did you take, what happened? There were two such threads before today - gouri's discovery and another girl's old thread which I revived by asking "So what happened with this? What did you do?".  Before I revived it, there was only comment commiserating with the author, saying, oh what a sad thing. NOTHING ELSE. No tagging Renie. No actions, no steps, no investigation, no blog posting, no public expose, no apology, no banning. 

Reading your original post here starting the thread again as you instructed, I see nothing new since I wrote my previous comment. The point you're telling Renie to which I reacted here in order to defend Renie is the difference between you and me: You do not advocate public expose. I do. I believe it is nothing else than essential. How else are we to set the record straight and let the deceived readers know the copycat is a copycat? How else are we to correct the harm? It is the very first necessary step, for me, if I were the wronged author. If I were the wronged author, I would not accept a simple deletion. It is up to each of us what we wish to do to correct the wrong done to us, within legal bounds. That is why I told Gouri I hope you are able to resolve this as you want and as you agree with the copycat. And I also said, if I were Inditeam, I'd be very worried at how my members were reacting. I said nothing more at that time because it was Gouri's case, not mine. Har ek aadmi ki baat alag hoti hai. Again, I said nothing when Mohan came forward and everybody was OK with him just deleting and apologizing, including Gouri. That case was in Gouri, Mohan and Inditeam's hands.

Here, again, I make no specific comment on this case. It is not my case. I am not the copycat. I am not the wronged author. I am not even the loser of a contest who feels hurt. I am not even a reader of Sourav Pandey's blog. I am not even Inditeam. I am not even Indimoderator or Indipolice. Is sab maamle mein mera koi haath nahi hai, na koi fayda, na koi nuksan.

I only spoke up to defend Renie from this charge "the manner in which it was highlighted looked wicked in all aspects" because I do not believe Renie is wicked and I do not believe Renie did anything wicked by exposing the wrong-doing. If he had not done it, he would not have been doing his job and he would have lost my respect. He has won my respect today and thus, earned himself an intelligent, articulate, observant, truth loving, detail oriented, fair minded ardent defender for his actions where I believe he is well within his rights and responsibilities and personal judgement.

@pc i think just a bit of verbiage change will be good.. well not enuf grown up judge the language, but wish you can be a bit more polite. We are not here to fight. If that was the case, then we might call this a INDIMUD instead. :P again not taking anyone side, request you all to be at peace. Promod's is a genuine concern as he is against violent protests and yours is for it, as far as palg. Is concerned. But for that difference of opine, rquest you to pls dont use the harsh tone. Apologize if you felt i said was wrong, but humbly request you to consider this as a request from a younger brother. Hail IndiBrotherhood!!

Pundit Commentator, This is finding on plagiarism on wikipedia. 

"plagiarism is not a crime but is disapproved more on the grounds of moral offence.,

Plagiarism remains tolerated by 21st century artists."

If it was such issue that any person is to be brought to shame in the manner, it has been done, my heart does cry for the poor soul.

 http://plagiarismguide.blogspot.com/2007/12/plagiarism-is-not-crime.html 

@hemal:

This entire thread is full of very choice words for Inditeam/Indiblogger and you are picking on the one person who has nothing to do with anything and only stepped in to defend Renie out of the goodness of my heart and out of respect for his credibility and responsibility and duty and action????

Somebody else calls renie "wicked" and you call me impolite for providing a stellar defence.  Major WTF.

If somebody does not recognize or is not used to grammatically correct, high quality, crisp, concise, detailed, factual, truthful, point by point debate and discussion, that is none of my concern. Why should I speak badly on purpose?

You will never find incorrect confusing usage of English vocabulary, cloudy half-baked thoughts or double-speak from me on this forum, especially not during a touchy sensitive debate/discussion. I know when to keep quiet and when to speak - I have monitored this thread all day but only spoken once. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I also walk the talk. [Where were all of Mohini's "friends" when she quit out of disgust? Why was I the only person who spoke up for her on principle, despite not being a reader of her blog or a "friend" on the forum. No matter what the situation, I stand for principles and ethics and I call a spade a spade. It does not matter to me what the personal politics of it all is. That, my fellow blogger, is known as integrity. By the way, I do not care for imposed relationships. I have my own family, thank you.]

Please do not impose your incorrect perceptions upon me. Renie has already read my comments and thanked me privately for my "kind words" and "support", as he put it.

If you can't recognize the wheat from the chaff, you will never be able to appreciate the significance of my choice of substance and style here.

These are serious matters we are discussing - Indiblogger creator has been called "wicked" and lots more ("runs like indian govt???") just for doing his job correctly and protecting and serving the interests of his members - remember it could be me or you next time - and it is important to remain neutral and factual and impartial and brutally honest. I have nothing to do with any of this so I have no emotions about any of this - I am so cool you think I'm harsh! lol.

Anyhow, I have given you neutrality, facts, honesty, and a strong point of view in favour of the existing and collective honest members in the future.  Those with integrity and good judgement will recognize this.

As Renie says, Keep Blogging.

pundit commentator, I apologize to you sir, with immense humiliation, on statement which you construed as "I am calling renie, wicked. I had implied only actions looked that way, thats all. please do forgive me , sir. 

I am really sorry to renie too , if he is offended in any manner, I never meant that way.  

@PL

Reg: Plaigirism, it is theft of the most valuable possession of all - my thoughts, my inner voice, my soul, my self. If that's not a crime, I don't know what is.

I am not a sir, btw. I am a lady. Please don't apologize to me. You have every right to say what you feel, however ill-advised, and I have every right to contradict it if I feel otherwise. Let both parties present fact free from prejudice and let the chips fall where they may.

I know that if I were Renie, I would feel very hurt reading some of the negative reactions and lack of appreciation and gratitude on this thread. I would have expected honest members to recognize their own self interest if nothing else and support Renie's actions.

After all, why should Renie continue in a thankless job if his own members do not recognize and appreciate his integrity, honesty, respect, consideration and correct action with regard to one found copycat case. Renie is understaffed and is not on the forum so future wronged authors please do contact him directly if you want proper action.

By the way @PL, your quote has no relevance here. Nobody here is a celebrity 21st century artist who only gains from plaigarization since it brings more fame and media articles and papparazzi and tabloids and teenagers and everything else that goes along with talent.

Plaigarization of a blogger's work, esp a personal blogger is a very very serious offence. It is saying you are x when in fact you are c. That is a big lie and betrayal to your readers.

It is not like tech blogs where Indian bloggers create simpler easier to understand how to websites off of european and american sites. I've even seen one Indian tech how to site recommending this as a way to get an idea for a post!!!

So again, I have no sympathy for the person who steals the very essence of me: my spirit. That person should be publically shamed at the very least.

yes Sujit.. came as a shocker to everyone of us as well...

IndiBlogger is doing it right from here on.. its a lesson learnt but very sadly

Never thought would see such a day on Indiblogger, you guys are doing your best, understand the workload that you have...

tys, your intricate jovial nature and way of putting things is just miraculous.

+1

tys +10,000

there you go.

Now you can pay for it.

xeno, can't see the green notes

we need guys like tys to makes smile.. +1 @tys

+1 last point is worth!

well stated Gouri, double standards have to be done with. excellent statement.

thumbs up.

@Gouri - Good points there. On 2, in matters as grave as this, instead of and/or in addition to raising it up on the forum, shoot a mail regarding the same utilizing contact us/get support, that you find at the bottom of the page, to ensure prompt response from the Team.

Okay @Gouri I take your word that IndiBlogger did not respond to you for your issue.

But the culprit there, @Mohan himself came ahead, apologized and he assured that he removed your post. Further down, he came and answered all your questions calmly. he also pulled the website down. Though it was linking from IndiVine, now does not have any point.

On what you said about giving an chance, Renie called up Sourav personally before he went public with this. According to Renie, Sourav kept on saying that he cannot prove that other authors had copied his work at first place. He was not ready to own up that he copied. All Renie had asked is to apologize to his fans and readers for coping the content.

So I think that was a fair change that was given. When he refused to oblige and agree that he copied, IndiBlogger decided to go Public.

*So I think that was a fair chance that was given. When he refused to oblige and agree that he copied, IndiBlogger decided to go Public.

Hemal, I too take your words. If you say chance was given, okay I agree it was given. But we are forgetting the basic principle of judgement here:

Judgment must not only be fair but should also look fair.

I still feel, the matter should have been discussed on forum before disabling the accused's ID and not on a comment moderated blogpost where the accused can come back anytime saying his/her comments were censored/modified.

A solid suggestion it is, Shankar, and I second it. Money is one root of that evil, another is the infantile craving for acceptance, here, in blogosphere in the form of wanting as many followers as one can have.

@PC yes this was a brave move and it will be lauded in the future. For sure no one wants IndiBlogger to shut down, yes except for those who are in favor of Sourav Pandey.

Indiblogger is accepting its mistake! It is a very bold step indeed! Question is can other people at fault do the same?

And I don't get it, people are flaming indiblogger for going harsh on Sourav. Although it has been made clear that a personal phone call was made before going public. Nobody is blaming Sourav for what he did! How can you justify that?

Good points Addy.

+1

Thanks Vyshnavi Ji

+1 Pg

Thanks A,

+ 1 + 1 +1 Pramod..

Thanks Hemal,

Addy, that's like indipolice. Feel free and do as you wish. You have the powers. Go ahead on a shooting spree.

+1 Mate. Thats why we all love IndiBlogger.. dont we?

Thanks Umesh Ji, This sad situation wouldn't have arisen if all posts were nabbed in posting time itself. This management did boldly accepted as a failure, which is seldom seen, anywhere, I am sincerely all praises to the management on this brave feat.
But I may be wrong, but I felt great shame and disgust the way hurt was passed on. That's all.
Every one is free to have their own attitudes and views on this.
I just wished to remind the word "Humane"
My memory is short.