IndiRank Upgrade - suggestions please!
Now that we're done making a few small upgrades to IndiVine and the Forum, it's time to look at IndiRank. Addy, you just may be able to crack all the jokes you want this month!
We're looking for suggestions/feedback/critique here - anything goes. A few questions to get the ball rolling:
- Should we make our algorithm public or would that promote gaming?
- Are there any other influential factors we can include, aside from PageRank, Alexa, Frequency, etc.?
- What information would you like to see as part of your IndiStats?
- Should we increase the frequency of updates, or would that diminish the value of IndiRank updates?
- The stats are available only to those who are logged in. Would you like an export option / widget so that you can share it with your readers?
Reason: Typo!
IndiRank name should remain as is...
The score can also include active participation in the forum...
Can also include points based on Votes from IndiVine... this would mean the blog is not only better on technicals, but also from content point of view. this can be in terms of addition to the overall score or as a seperate unit.
Being active on Indiblogger should help actually.. after all Indiblogger ranks the blogger.
1. Why do you think the name should remain as it is?
2. Active participation in the forums only shows active participation in the forums. It shows how social you are, it is NOT a measure of how good your blog is, or how good a blogger you are. If Alexa started awarding extra points for people who updated their site information on Alexa, it would not be an unbiased, objective scoring system.
This is no longer a name but something that people identify with. Since you are not here from inception, this name has been into all of us here.. hence, and not only me but others too, feel that this name should remain as is.
Active participation, well this topic is a bit skirty. Why I said this is because there are people who join just for a link back to their blogs.. and hence i felt this can be an option which may or may not be included in rankings. It will only means good for indiblogger, but not by force but by choice.
1. You might be right about that (about not being here since inception). Maybe initially, it made sense, but I think it doesn't make sense to hang on to tradition for the sake of tradition. In any situation, if a change makes sense, then we should accept/embrace that change. As you can see, a very high number of people (most of whom are probably new) have brought this up. Also, it might be possible that most of your blog's readers are aware of the concept of Indirank, so it doesn't matter much? However, in normal situations, when people see a RANK of 85/100, they will think we are ranked 85th out of 100 blogs. In fact, that's what I thought when I saw someone else's Indirank score for the first time.
2. It might or might not be good for Indiblogger. Those who are more inclined to socialize here will continue to do so, and those who are not, will simply lose out on their score. :)
A humble suggestion regarding indirank,while publishing indirank please publish the following details also:
1.blogs with the highest Indirank
2.blogs which made highest improvement in indirank
3.best performer among the new commer blogs
if it is possible please consider my suggestions..............
Any post on Indivine must get automatically get PROMOTED if somebody posts his/her comments. This will ensure that those interested in promoting a particular post sincerely go through the post.
For the starting, I must say that you're still sending me ranks for two of my blogs that don't exist anymore. Secondly the ranks you send me for one old blog that exists varies in your mail and on the dashboard, by about a 20 or 25. I mean this month I received a mail saying my new indi rank is 51 when my actual indi rank on the dashboard was 74. This in itself creates a hell lot of confusion in my mind about the system of indi ranking.
I hope you first fix these discrepancies first before you look into further improvements.
Please take note.
Rinzu
I am not sure how the Indiscore (support changing the title to score) is a reflection of content.And by that I do not mean the topic. I mean the reader satisfaction. Is that part of the measurement metrics ? A high number of comments could be a good measure but not always true.
true, comments can be inflated,and not all readers,even those who love the post leave leave a comment.
Hence count of comments,cant be a good measuring tool, i think.
Strong suggestion:
Please call it IndiScore and not IndiRank, because you are scoring blogs and not ranking them. When we put the badge on our blogs, which proudly says IndiRank - Ranking of Indian Blogs, and then there's a 84/100 under it, it looks as if you have ranked the top 100 blogs of a particular category or whatever, and my blog's rank is 84.
Other suggestions:
1. Do not reveal the algorithm, as this will only lead to people modifying their blogs to suit your algorithm.
2. Updating IndiRank/IndiScore once a month is frequent enough. The only thing to work on, probably, is to reduce avoidable delays (if any of them are avoidable in the first place).
3. Exporting the stats may be a good idea, but my opinion is that it is practically unimportant.
Conclusion:
Please consider the change of name from IndiRank to IndiScore, or at least remove the "/100". You could instead post a % sign.
Indirank: 84% at least says that 100 is the maximum possible.
Indirank: 84/100 says that you are ranked 84 out of 100.
Somehow, the word IndiRank now means higher the better. So, no need to mess up with the name. Also, let the algorithm remain a mystery.
How about adding nitty-gritties like SEO score, title to meta description relevancy and readability of a blog (tech, jargons, high school level, etc)? Blog visibility on Google/Stumble Upon? Average post length? Backlinks? Likes/votes? Well, these parameters might further refine your ranking.
The current ranking frequency is the best. If you guys want to add more fun, just tag some weird names for ranks between 50-60 (lazing), 60-70 (munching), 70-80 (galloping), and so on.
Naren, for people who are members of Indiblogger, the higher the IndiRank, the better it is. But for someone who has no clue what Indiblogger is or what Indirank is, don't you think a rank of 84/100 implies the actual rank?
For example, if I get a score of 80 % in my exam and that is 4th highest score out of 100 students, then my RANK would be 4/100, while my SCORE would be 80/100, wouldn't it?
I am not in to the technicalities of indirank. But I feel that the frequency of update is quite well balanced. An increase in frequency will reduce its charm while lenthening the intervals might make bloggers feel the wait is to long...
How can I get my rank on indiblogger appear on my blog? Could you please give the procedure?
Regards
Meera
Go here: http://www.indiblogger.in/widgets.php
Select your blog and that's it!
RENIE....
Hey renie , INDIRANK...it is the heart of indiblogger so plz dont change itrs name and dont make ranking algorithm public, but just the deciding criterian should be more widen like other factors must b included.....
its an interesting idea ofcourse
Hi everyone..
Whats the point of ranks and grades, we are here to write and enjoy the world of blogging. Remember "We Blog, Therefore we are here". SO whats the point of ranks and grades (or it is our typical mentality to have to have ranks, grades to make ourself higher than other which give us some kind of eternal bliss).
People blog for their good, please don't make it competitive. There are various group of people who blog, some blog and browse other blog daily, but some do it on their availability. Do you think all these ranking criteria will do justice for them. So Please Please better off with the ranks and grades and let people enjoy writing and reading with no ranks and grades in their mind.
Hope you take my suggestion into consideration.
I agree
Hey I would like to share an idea or two too.
Firstly the algo,I Guess is better off being a secret just for the thrill of it, and secondly everyone has a fair idea about how the ranking is based(atleast a hint).
Secondly people have suggested that indirank should consider backlinks and traffic(popularity),well Page rank considers backlinks and the alexa rank covers the traffic details hence we do not need to consider them seperately.
Also there have been some suggestions of rank based on the activity we carry out at indiblogger; like people in the network,Indivine votes,post lengths etc.Well seriously I think this is not a good idea because there are certain people who are more active on the indiblogger then others so it would be unfair,and the rank must only be based on global constants like PR,alexa rank,etc.
Finally the frequency of once a month is apt,being more frequent i guess it will loose its importance.
Seriously I don't care whatever you call it,all the same for me.
I would like to echo the sentiments of addy,it is perfect as it is,I didnot suggest any improvements,I merely refuted some suggestions ;)
I agree with not factoring in activity on Indiblogger to contribute to the Indirank/Score. If you are giving marks to the blog for the quality of the blog, then the amount of time spent by the author for social networking on Indiblogger should not count towards the blog quality score.
I LOVE IndiRank!!!
And I don't think that you should change its name or make the algo public! and those who cry over IndiRank "not being fair" should just ignore it, use another criterion to see their progress (or the lack of it), stop criticizing it in the forum (I really hate them from the bottom of my heart for doing that ) and yes of course GET A LIFE!!!
And I think the number of hits on the blog can also be used as a parameter, and the number of beers the blogger have had that month, and the number of times he/she got so drunk, they blacked out is a point to be considered! Negative points for puking!
the number of "jokes" cracked in the forum on IndiRank......... I truly believe this should be the Top Priority!
BTW send me an Indiblogger tee!! Hows that for a suggestion Renie?
Hey there, have you just had some beer or something? ;)
(Just a joke, buddy, please don't take it seriously)
I just want to know if the number of followers you have should affect the rank. I think its more fair to base the rank on all the other stats we have but the follower count could be a little biased. By the follower count I mean the promote this blog vote....I for one read a lot of them but sometimes don't promote or am unable to!
Oh, missed out another thing, may be add a point or two for the number of comments received by the user or blog!? Higher comments means, better blogs and better liked by the readers. So it directly shows the quality of content right?!
Yeah a widget to show off our stats would be cool
Then how about changing the name from Indi-Rank to Indi-Stats because, when i got my 1st rank, i was of the view that a rank of 51 is better than a rank of 70, because Ranking means the lesser the number is, the better it is. So it might give a wrong impression to the ones seeing it from outside. So why don't we make it Indi-marks or something like that?
The frequency should not be changed, even though there is excitement because, then it would be like the present tragedy in cricket, when there is a world event every year or so and people lose the excitement of waiting for four years! :D So once a month is the best!
@aditya and @ Raja Indrajit- I agree with you regarding proper name (Indirating)
@renie - Please Don't make the algorithm public. It is working fine.
Some blogs may not get justice, but that you have already explained limitations. Nothing is perfect and this needs to be accepted.
Monthly frequency is fine.
Suggestions - Consider the popularity of blog not just on Indiblogger, but the daily hits of blog's main url and sub-urls.
According to www.thenextweb.com, Google recently included sites which load faster. Do you think this point is worth consideration.
I support Aditya. The first thing that should be done is to correct the name. The name should be IndiRating or IndiScore or anything else that indicates "the higher the better." IndiRank inherently implies "the lower the better." This has been discussed in the forums before and I hope something will be done this time.
Don't make the algo public.
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