Lesser restrictions = Lesser Crimes. Severe punishments = More Crimes.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Do you agree with this?

 

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Vallabh Kulkarni
Vallabh Kulkarni
from Pune
9 years ago

For boys, it is perfect... Wink

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

For example, at any good college, they won't have a security at gate. Nobody bothers who comes into and goes out of the campus. The office of HODs are always open (though shelves are locked). No uniform. Politics allowed. Yet no problems.

That means lesser restrictions = Happy Campus. Similar is the case with society.

 

 

The end result : people in disputes in remote areas who easily have excess to harijan lady touts, who lodge fake rape cases on disputed parties for price offer of 10 to 20k, and later claw back the case on effective materialization. A lot blackmailings etc. cases too gonna crop up.
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Its basic human tendency to live free. When people are suppressed (like compelled to wear a helmet), the suppression will go off one day.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

As I have already said in another topic, Saudi Arabia may be the country with strictest laws. Still people commmit crimes.

More than twenty people are killed out of the total 26 million (less than total population of Kerala) till date, this year

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

In India, the situation, unfortunately is "More restrictions. Lesser Punishments".

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

you cant compare saudi which has religious sharia laws....they'll behead you if you sneak a bible into mecca and all those kinda stupid crappy laws exist.  we are not a religious state, so situation is different, our laws can never be as absurd as saudi laws even if they are strict.

Raowords
Raowords
from Bengaluru
9 years ago

Its a very broad topic,  First we have to understand what is crime and how to recognise it, Law or restriction becomes secondary.

Meaningful and Updated Restrictions = Accurate recognition of crime

I will give example to this:

In 2012 cartoonist Assem Trivedi was arrested on the basis of "Sedition", "Sediton" was a law imposed by the british to criminalize any person who spoke against them. But India is a democracy (hypocracy should have been appropiate) and every Citizen has the right to speak, so "Sedition" should have been automatically dropped, but our Govt's are lazy and we have kept outdated laws until now.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

In the example you cited, you too demand for lesser restriction (ie revoking sedition law). That's exactly my point also.

Raowords
from Bengaluru
9 years ago

I am not demanding for lesser law, I am demanding appropriate, accurate and updated laws.

How could we deal with 21st - 22nd centrury crimes with 18th century laws?

Ankita Singhal
Ankita Singhal
from Mumbai
9 years ago

NO... If one is not scared of punishments and their severity then crimes will not stop. And we also need examples of enforing the law and the Punishments.For lesser punishments = More freedom even to go illegal, gunda raj.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

It must be first of all a society without restrictions. Then we must have lesser punishments.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

In India anybody can kill anyone without being afraid of hanged. Still no gunda raj comes into effectSmile

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

they might not be afraid of being hanged...but except the rich, the poor ones do land up in jail if they commit crime....moreover in UP ever since akhilesh yedav came to power have you counted how many poeople got killed ??? i call that jungle raj.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

I'm not talking about the corrupt system.

My point is anyone in India can kill any fellow citizen without being afraid of capital punishment. He will, at most spend around 10 years in jail. Still no gunda raj generates only because of that.

The crime rate is depending more on other factors like poverty, development, restrictions on living imposed by the society etc.....

 

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

just becos anyone can kill a fellow citizen without being afraid of capital punishment....we dont go around doing that becos we have better things to do. none of us get excited at the prospect of spending 10 yrs in jail either. But those who does kill anyways, needs to be given strictest punishment.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Giving stricter punishments, do you expect to lower the crime rate?

If it was so, it would have increased when the supreme court decided to give capital punishment to only the rarest of the rare case.

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

i'm only bothered about the guilt getting punished...rest whether crime gets decreased or not we'll see, but anyone commiting crime shuld be punished thats it.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Me too agree with that. But at what level will be a point for discussion.

But punishing a person won't prevent another person from doing the same crime.

Ankita Singhal
from Mumbai
9 years ago

lets see, 1. India prohibits bonded /forced labor through the Bonded Labor Abolition Act, the Child Labor Act, and the Juvenile Justice Act , their prescribed penalties — a maximum of three years in prison —are not sufficiently stringent. And not enforced.2. We have strong law for human trafficking-- ranging from seven years’ to life imprisonment -- no enforcement again.3. We see rape cases on daily basis on TV, it doesnt mean crime has increased, but ppl are now coming forward for justice, Why? Formerly Victims were victimized, evidences were tempered, now That the new law 'Anti-rape bill" has seen the light of the day, "Justice delayed is justice denied" might decrease, How is it possible, bcause the law is stringent, public is more aware.

well in case 2. where more restriction/ strong law= no impact, Crime is still booming.

case 3. Stronger law/ more restrictions = Impact is yet to be seen but I am guessing or hoping for a +ve Impact.

case 1. wo bhagwan bharose hai!!

Conclusion--- I guess better enforcement, sensitization is necessary, at the same time some laws needs sufficiently stringiness, awareness and all will decrease the crime rate. IMO.

Ankita Singhal
from Mumbai
9 years ago

Punishing one person may not stop others to commit the same crime but punishing 5 persons (who are guilty), and not delayed justice, if it stops even one person to commit the same crime then it's worth it because everyone in scared, (human race is another name for cowards). It will take time but crime rate will decrease. Just like the digitization will not show it's effects now but in 5-7 years, heck yeah!! Laughing

@Ankita, motto should be to stop a single crime to perpetrate. for that utmost vygyl is needed, stringent law may not be able to deter hardcore criminals. our system to check them must improve. 

This is india, where to solve crime scapegoats too are aptly framed for promotions. Etc. wrong doer has all plans chalked to flee. I guess more than 50% cases are superficial. A person when indicted in a crime, when interrogated for accomplishes, tells the name of his enemies, to take revenge. Our system needs revamp.
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Your point is valid Rio. Please give your opinion about the question also.

my opinion is in simple words as a human "i concur with the point in part. that is lesser laws. but end result has to be more dependant on education in grassroot level. vygyl of superior degree, will curb the crime.

severe punishments helps Govts to terror its own people. Tongue out But we need a fucntioning judiciary and police system too to maintain law and order.  What ever the law only common pople are going to be the victim, no hardcore criminals or high born sugar coated criminals will be punished (at least here).  Suppressing people more with rock hard laws  will give only negative results at the end.

 Personally I do not believe severe punishments stop crime. If it is true there won't be any crimes in countries which follows shariath. Laws should not be made under emotions or as a tool to get more votes in next election. While making a law, the law makers should also think about the possible misuse of it.

Niharika Bhol
Niharika Bhol
from Bangalore
9 years ago

Govt should punish every-one equally. No-body should escape punishment, be it rich or poor, famous or in-famous. Because if our Govt. doesn't show its strong face, then people will start taking advantage of this leniency. Also the media should potray a criminal as a criminal only. Recently in the Sanjay Dutt case the media created so much hype and potrayed him as a saint. He was found guilty and was punished for that. 

Read more about my views at http://niharikaspeaks.blogspot.com

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Nice reply but out of context.

 

Unknown
Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago
While, the technological advancements are giving us an impression that we are heading up towards an utopia, the crimes happening around are discovering lower levels everyday. Every time we read some crime news it will be the worst till date and a worser one is always in store. The outcome you are expecting is crime rate, through restrictions as a lever. Restrictions in its own cannot deliver you the desired outcome. Even rapists know the possible ramifications but they do it with so much of confidence on the system and themselves. A lesser loophole system, which is flexible enough to evolve through democratic feedback, transparent, prompt and proactive. Education system ,which emphasises more on practicals than theories and ethical values, reaching every citizen of the nation That is the need of the hour.
Purnendu
Purnendu
from Pune
9 years ago

Severe punishment may not stop crimes, but it may deter future criminals and, it can cool down the burning hearts of the victims and their families ... Why should rapists be fed on tax payers money ? Just get rid of them. 

I completely agree with Nandini and Ankita. India has been utterly lazy and lethargic with the disposal of any cases. When it comes to sensitive issues like this where the patriarchal ego takes the first peep instead of rational thinking and empathy, what use is it to give such people a chance to do the same thing again? If the offender is the not punished the first time, he/she will definitely feel more confident and unafraid of the system. They will just go on raping/molesting more women and children. 

  Fear of strict laws needs to be reinforced for the offenders to know that they would not be left unharmed after hurting someone at all levels possible. It is one thing to instill complete fear and terror in the people through the means of law and completely another to assure the citizns that they would be safe in the future from such malice.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

The accused in the latest Delhi case is been arrested. He may not be hanged because of lack of strict laws. But he will spend enough number of years in jail. Even after that, he can't live his life before. We all know what happened to the main accused of the earlier Delhi case.

From these facts, we can infer that fear of getting hanged won't prevent anybody from doing the crime.

To confirm this again, I reiterate my earlier comment. That, please check the crime status of Saudi Arabia and China. People get killed by the goverment year after year. What do you have to say about that? Are the people of Saudi and China that brave???????

I am not bring Saudi into this Vysakh. But think about it. If he is heavily punished irrespective of his connections, won't another two face offender feel scared? Atleast one or two in every five such poeple? Won't that atleast improve things? 

  But then again, Indian Law is like poetry. People just keep finding their own loopholes and interpret it. 

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Let me ask you one more question. Why these incidents happen in Delhi but not in Mumbai???? Any answers?

Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

incidents happen everwhere...delhi is stereotyped..

delhi's media should be more active.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

It is not much sterotyped. Mumbai IS safe for women compared to Delhi. We must answer why. The answer is the solution for the Delhi issues. Killing the accused won't be.

Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

Incidents reported is different from incidents happened.

 

Unknown
Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

A lot of people demand for severe,strict,brutal punishment and that too fast-track...its all emotionally driven..Let me quote a case, that happened in Andhra Pradesh.

A girl by named Ayesha was brutally raped & killed...There was an arrest made and the fellow was so badly interrogated that both his legs were paralysed and he lost his senses also...it was really severe and deserving punishment but would have been apt if only he was the real culprit..it was all fabricated and the innocent was dragged into it..now if we go by the police's version then may be they should be awarded for that..

there were many speculations/doubts on some popular politicians kin, who was allegedly involved in the heinous crime, but is still at large.

so more than rules and regulations, the system should be near to perfect enough to set things right.

All sort of punishment and sentences should only be imposed... but on the offender and not the suspect. 

Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

The problem is zeroing down the actual offender. 

We read what our media wants us to read.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

People wants to live free. But when the society imposes restrictions on them in care of morality, disturbances happen and they lead to crime.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

aaa

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Please explain Mr. Unknown

Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

Mr.Vysakh...I made a comment earlier that...

incidents reported doesnt really reflect incidents happened.

restrictions as the only lever to control crime rate...may not be workable..Lets draw a parallel with an analogy

There was a time when Malaria was deadly..the mosquitoes were the culprits..then with research they come up DDT (Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane..thanks to my chemistry :), which seemed to an ultimate solution..but what happened was mosquitoes became immune to it over the time...I hope it explains the point am trying to convey..

 

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

I understand it. That means you too agree with my point.

Unknown
from Hyderabad, India
9 years ago

You concurring with me will be substantiated if you only agree to the fact that lesser incidents reported in Mumbai doesnt mean, lesser incidents happening there and it is safest place to live

I dont agree to your point, cos you have an extreme stance where you say lesser restrictions, but I say restrictions with other key-drivers for the system in right place and pace.

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

I don't really agree with it. Because if incidents happened in mumbai as it do in delhi, it could have made some news at least. There could be some but definitely lesser  than in Delhi.

I do not understand what do you mean by "restrictions with other key-drivers for the system in right place and pace". Can you please give an example and explain?

Vysakh Jayakrishnan
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

Please explain Mr. Unknown.

Mayank
Mayank
from Ghaziabad
9 years ago
i dont think crime rate is effected in any way by the strictness of law. infact , it is effected by by socio-economic gap, ultraconservative mindset and social injustice or unjustified desires. we cannot cntrol these by strict law we have  to bring about a change in society and break away from unnecessary social norms. what we can do in this area is just we can increase the speed of trial of court for who commited crimes.
Vysakh Jayakrishnan
from Thrissur
9 years ago

I agree with you Mayank. Incerasing the speed of trial court will help only this case. But not the forthcoming cases.


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