Categories in Indivine
I just submitted a post on Holi and had difficulty in deciding under what section I should publish it...
I think there should be a culture/festival sub category under life style... What do you all think??
Reason: typo
categorizationns should surely be added. many times we are at a loss to find a suitable category.
+++ to Arti and Pramodji! There should be more and more categories and sub - categories. The poems I submit, can be included in different categories , but just have to submit in Poetry. Plz suggest more categories.
I would suggest Festivals/ Culture for a start since that was the reason for starting this thread
+1 to Arti.
About Spirituality and Philosophy.
needed!
for this i m supporting only dont know anything abt parenting, coz people have to take care of me as a kid.
Lets get this thing straight. Create a list of Categories that are needed with Sub categories. see if the sub categories can be attached. For eg: Defence/Strategic related posts can be under "Nation & Politics" > National Security & Patriotism.
See we all have different wishes, but to keep things simple, we need to see the best ways to intergrate things into existing frameworks. Adding on everything will make thigns murkier. Its certainly a good thing that IndiBlogger does not heed to every blogger as if 1000 bloggers suggest different categories and they oblige, imagine the Messs.
SO Instead of asking for categories that your own personal blog belongs to, try to see the bigger picture and think about how to make it useable for others as well.
I hope i didnt sounded too bad? 
Yes you did
Just kidding! On a serious note though, you are right... Our ultimate aim definitely is to improve the system by making some positive changes into the existing structure and not turn it into an untidy clutter!
Its just that sometimes we may not know what is the precise solution to something that’s flawed but definitely know that it needs some tampering here and there! So if someone has suggested something, we can definitely think over it and add on to the suggestion to make it a viable option worth considering for the Inditeam!
Yep! I agree with you @arti. We can certainly collect each and every request, see which fits in where. If something fits in existing ones, we dont need to create a new category altogether
last para is bad, i think. coz there are many general categories, which are not availble in Indi. so people should tell....it.........hope i am too much.........soft! neway thanks for the concern........@ Hemal!
This is a bit unrelated , but it's my fav, please make more and more smilys available on forum and talk, and at least for me and pramodji you have to do that, coz we have experimented highest no. of codes, in which he won, but worked only a few. hope i m not wrong.
That are available on yahoo.....etc, i saw lots of codes tried too but they dont work here.
you can check out yahoo smilys! smily for party, smily for sleepy.....like tht.!
I was thinking on a different line of thought. "Do we need categories?"
Why can't we just go away with categories?
Categories are in one way meta-tagging the blog. And then we tag our blogs again in the bottom of the post. Rather than bringing in redundancy to the system, if we go away with the categorization then it will make everyone's life easier. Won't it? :)
Now, Tags can be of two kinds:
1. Random ones, as we all tend to do.
2. Indicative ones, as given by the Indi admin team. This should resolve the issues being brught out here.
Any thoughts?
Arti: Think of the world without categories but a world with tags.Here are some of the good points that I can think of:
- The power to categorize lies with the user
- If you want to look for psots for travel, you can click on the tag called "Travel"
- The same blog can be tagged with multiple tags. e.g. if you write a travel blog on Delhi, that has only photographs. Shouldn't it be tagged as travel, delhi, photography; instead of only the category Travel?
What do you think?
@ankush @DS
Nice suggestion ankush, here is what i think -1. Since 1 post can be labeled/categorized with multiple tags, Redundancy might pose a problem. In the sense that, people would want to label their posts with as many and whatever tags as possible so that their posts appear across various topics.2. The tag cloud needs to be predefined just like the existing categories or sub categories otherwise the entire thing will be a huge mess. Then again in the predefined case, people will want to add new tags and labels best suited according to their posts. Just like I wanted festivals and culture for my holi post, thus that ‘category’ problem remains stuck.I personally actually loved your suggestion of not tying our posts in one string but giving it the space to expand across various topics… but I think it needs some more working and time for if the team were to scrap the existing system entirely in place of a new one then the new one should be completely foolproof and definitely better than the existing one...?
@ankush @DS
Very nice suggestion, here is what i think -
- Since 1 post can be labeled/categorized with multiple tags, Redundancy might pose a problem. In the sense that, people would want to label their posts with as many and whatever tags as possible so that their posts appear across various topics.
- The tag cloud needs to be predefined just like the existing categories or sub categories otherwise the entire thing will be a huge mess. Then again in the predefined case, people will want to add new tags and labels best suited according to their posts. Just like I wanted festivals and culture for my holi post, thus that ‘category’ problem remains stuck.
- I personally actually loved your suggestion of not tying our posts in one string but giving it the space to expand across various topics… but I think it needs some more working and time for if the team were to scrap the existing system entirely in place of a new one then the new one should be completely foolproof and definitely better than the existing one... ?
Arti, you are absolutely correct. The questions raised by you are genuine and here are my answers:
1. Do you really think "as many and whatever tags" is a problem? What is the whole essence of a forum like this? Freedom! Isn't it? Well, putting it in correct words, Structured freedom! How to bring about the structure? Structure in such forums can't be brought about at the expense of freedom. It has to be people driven. So, tagging gives freedom to people. But the size of each tag gives structure to it.
Example: You may tag your post: holi, festival, india. But, since there are more tags for India, tag "India" will be biggest. "Holi" tag will be not visible clearly in the whole tag cloud. But, if someone searches for "Holi" tag particulary then your blog will come up.
2. So, by the same argument as above, we go away with the "Moderator-defined" categories and bring around "People-defined" tags. Therefore, there will be a defined struture but that structure will be ad-hoc defined by the particiapting people.
Does this sound good?
I'm with @ankush on the tagging debate.
I believe we can have categories like culture, cricket and civics, good suggestion there, and movie reviews are missing too
I agree with @TheFool. Personal is not the same as art&literature. Personal relates to the narration of anecdotes.
Finding Short Stories under Personal/Offbeat is quite heartbreaking. If our stories (fiction/literature) are personal (and cannot transcend that), we mustn't call ourselves creative writers in the first place.
Are we reaching a consensus? Or are we lsot on this discussion?
Curious to know ;)
I think the Inditeam is too busy to look into suggestions right now.
actually they working something very big called Indirank , may be then .
@DS.
I think promotions and marketing is probably more time consuming than upgrading IndiRank and is probably the reason they keep putting off the upgrade.
Points noted people - first off, we need to redesign the navigation on IndiVine so we can accomodate more categories - this is fairly high on our to-do list, and once that's done, we'll include the categories you've mentioned.
As for the tags, we'll put in a tag cloud + dedicated IndiVine search, so we'll have the best of both worlds. Hope that works for everyone.
Ahimaz - thanks for sending me the email!
This is great! Thanks, Renie, for getting back to us this soon.
I think many of the changes requested I can see already.. but still, have a look as promised.
Arti, as of now I have shared this publicy for viewing. If you IndiMail me your email id, I can grant you edit access. When you add/remove a category, please mark the cell yellow
All,
Continue our discussions here...
I'm new here, and while my blog primarily focusses on Baking and Cooking, it also showcases some of my Artwork. Figured I would share some of my posts here and while searching for a suitable category and subcategory to post my work under, was distressed to find that there isn't one for Art (Drawing, Painting, Clay Modelling, Sculpture etc). Now while there is a category for 'Arts and Theatre' which I assume relates to the performing arts and Photography, Art expressed through and on paper or canvas (watercolours, acrylic, oils etc), or through clay, metal, stone or other mediums is relegated to being classified as a hobby 
. For me it is much more than that. So this is a heartfelt request to the administrators to please relook the categorisation and provide one for Art in the forms I've mentioned. Thanks
Yeah, you do have a point. There are many people here who would second that thought Averil, i presume.
What are you requesting for Arts as a completely seperate category or a subcategory under some main already existing category? That would help sort out things better.
For now, I think a subcategory can be added, so Averil and artists like her can share with the Indivine na?
When we're recategorizing the Indivine properly, I think we can look at developing on it further..
Yeah, you are right leo. That indivine recategorization thing also got stalled midway, dunno... need to bring it up again.
Yeah, a sub-category would be great for starters Vinay. Something, anything would be good Arti, instead of the 'Hobby' sub-cat.
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